[Mark2LTDI]

The Wife's Touran 1.6 TDI DSG has just had a funny turn with the DSG, holding 2nd gear with a flashing spanner, plugged it in and have P073A code, any ideas ?

After a restart no spanner was present and it drove fine, but did store the code.

 

[logiclee]

I had this with my Octavia.

The fault code I believe just means "Stuck in gear"

It could be a number of issues but most probably an issue with the mechatronics on a DQ200

I'd wait and see if it happens again then get it checked at a specialist.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

The gearbox has shat itself, will only select 2nd 4th & 6th 😫
Waiting for green flag to get me home, meanwhile my wife is running around in my my fully working Yeti.

Anyone know of a garage in the Staines area that are competent with DSG boxes ?

 

[logiclee]

The gearbox has shat itself, will only select 2nd 4th & 6th 😫
Waiting for green flag to get me home, meanwhile my wife is running around in my my fully working Yeti.

Anyone know of a garage in the Staines area that are competent with DSG boxes ?

Sorry I don't know any in your area.

If it's still selecting even gears then fingers crossed it's the odd number clutch and not the mechatronic.

What year is the Touran?

 

[Mark2LTDI]

It's a 12 plate with 61k on the clock.

I've been doing some reading and it seams the common fault is the pump housing cracks, loosing pressure from the pump, I think there's two pumps, one for each half of the box, but I could be wrong.

Edit.
I was wrong, they only have one pump, and it's the aqumilator (wrong spelling) housing that can crack, but, if that was my fault then I can't see that some gears would work but not others.
Maybe it is a clutch, or clutch solenoid.
Whatever it is I don't have the time, equipment or knowledge to do it myself.

 

[logiclee]

It's a 12 plate with 61k on the clock.

I've been doing some reading and it seams the common fault is the pump housing cracks, loosing pressure from the pump, I think there's two pumps, one for each half of the box, but I could be wrong.

Edit.
I was wrong, they only have one pump, and it's the aqumilator (wrong spelling) housing that can crack, but, if that was my fault then I can't see that some gears would work but not others.
Maybe it is a clutch, or clutch solenoid.
Whatever it is I don't have the time, equipment or knowledge to do it myself.

I can't remember the dates now but there was a recall to change the oil to mineral oil early on to stop the oil becoming conductive which could cause issues.

The DQ200 is a bit of a nightmare. I've had six, still have one and four have required warranty work. My last Octavia a 1.6TDi (2014) had a £5500 repair.
I had four wet clutch boxes covering many many times more miles as our dry clutch boxes, they been serviced on time and I've not had a single issue.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

Yes, I read about the oil recall. I'm not sure if it was done as a recall but it's had a documented DSG oil change at around 40K.

On the plus side, the wife insisted on taking out an extended warrantee that runs until feb 24, it's time to see if they'll pay out.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

I just spoke with service4service who specialize in gearbox repair and seam to know their DSG's.
They said it's most likely to be the metatronic unit, but cannot rule out clutch pack, only full diagnostics will tell.
£1500 to £1700 for metatronic unit replacement, £2500 for clutch pack, both include collection, diagnostics and return, 1 year warrantee and will deal with the warrantee company.
Sounds a bit steep.

As you'll guess, I've now done a lot of reading about DSG faults, and the tech I spoke to was surprised at the questions I asked, he seamed to know his stuff.

 

[logiclee]

I just spoke with service4service who specialize in gearbox repair and seam to know their DSG's.
They said it's most likely to be the metatronic unit, but cannot rule out clutch pack, only full diagnostics will tell.
£1500 to £1700 for metatronic unit replacement, £2500 for clutch pack, both include collection, diagnostics and return, 1 year warrantee and will deal with the warrantee company.
Sounds a bit steep.

As you'll guess, I've now done a lot of reading about DSG faults, and the tech I spoke to was surprised at the questions I asked, he seamed to know his stuff.

For an Indy perhaps a little steep.

For comparison.

My £5500 bill above was main dealer for Mechatronics, Clutchpack, flywheel and Gear Lever. (That was four years ago)
Obviously once the gearbox is out and stripped the labour costs become different if you are replacing multiple components as majority of the labour cost is remove/strip/refit.

My Octavia 1.6TDi had the occasional missed change and slipping in even gears. I also had an error message flashing up occasionally "Error Workshop Gearbox in P" (Or similar) which is a known fault with the DQ200 gear lever microswitch.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

I'm getting increasingly concerned about this garage.
Firstly they swapped the Mecatronics unit for a known good one, as although no faults had been found within it they wanted to make sure this was not the cause.
Yesterday I was told that the clutch pack needed replacing but they would phone me today once they had more info.
Today they have said that the clutch had contaminated the gearbox and this would need rebuilding, the gearbox had then contaminated the Mecatronics unit, which would also need rebuilding.
On top of that they said that the gearbox wiring harness was damaged and needs replacing.
Not Happy.
When asked how the clutch can contaminate the gearbox in a DQ250 (dry clutch DSG), and how that in turn contaminated the Mecatronics unit, when all three are separate units (as in don't share the same oil) no answer was given.

They have now been told to stop all work, and give until tomorrow at 12.00 to provide me with a detailed breakdown of all work, including results of any diagnostics done, and an explanation of how the clutch can contaminate the other parts of the gearbox. If no reply by 12:00 I'll arrange for the car to be removed and will discuss payment for works so far afterwards.

 

[Flintstone]

When asked how the clutch can contaminate the gearbox in a DQ250 (dry clutch DSG), and how that in turn contaminated the Mecatronics unit, when all three are separate units (as in don't share the same oil) no answer was given.

I thought the DQ250 as fitted to diesel engine Yetis had the wet clutch packs (oil immersed)??
Could be wrong though? I’m not a DSG expert. Just what I’ve read in here over time.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

I thought the DQ250 as fitted to diesel engine Yetis had the wet clutch packs (oil immersed)??
Could be wrong though? I’m not a DSG expert. Just what I’ve read in here over time.

You're right, it's me getting muddled up (been doing A LOT of reading tonight), it's a DQ200, but it's fitted to a Touran 1.6TDI.

On a plus side, tonight I've found someone known to me that has the software, tools etc to do the job, we're also putting a plan in place to get the car away from Service4service.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

I've had a Email from them.
They said that the information given to me over the phone was incorrect, and will get back to me with the correct info.
Some backpedaling going on I think.
I wonder how many customers just believe what they're told and authorize the work ££££££££££

 

[Flintstone]

I wonder how many customers just believe what they're told and authorize the work ££££££££££

Methinks the answer to that is “Plenty”?

This thread and others like it in the past, just reinforce my thought that I made the right decision staying clear of a DSG when I bought my second Yeti last year. With the intention of running it to a target approaching 250,000 miles, like the last one. I know that as a 2.0 diesel, that would have had the more robust DQ250 unit. I’m still allergic to unplanned big bills.😳😧 A preference for the control that a simple, manual box gives me, still remains as a major factor too. Also aware a DSG has manual mode, but if I was going to use it like that all the time, why bother in the first place?

 

[The Hood]

And as vehicles get ever more complicated the risk of being their "first go" increases.

 

[Mark2LTDI]

Methinks the answer to that is “Plenty”?

This thread and others like it in the past, just reinforce my thought that I made the right decision staying clear of a DSG when I bought my second Yeti last year. With the intention of running it to a target approaching 250,000 miles, like the last one. I know that as a 2.0 diesel, that would have had the more robust DQ250 unit. I’m still allergic to unplanned big bills.😳😧 A preference for the control that a simple, manual box gives me, still remains as a major factor too. Also aware a DSG has manual mode, but if I was going to use it like that all the time, why bother in the first place?

like you I would not buy a DSG for myself, even though when working they're a good gearbox. I like the control of a manual box.
However this is my wife's car, she's registered disabled and has knee / hip problems, hence the DSG box.
I just wish she'd of listened to me when I suggested a 2.0 not a 1.6

 

[logiclee]

4x wet clutch boxes covering 275000 miles with no issues.

6x DQ200 covering less than 100k miles between them and 4 have required warranty work.

Just my take on the two different boxes.

My first DQ250 was a Passat, I sold it to my Father in Law. It's now done 156k miles. Box still runs as new.