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You do NOT need to go to a Skoda dealer, just find a VAG specialist in your area and go to them.
A quick Google search found several!
Very helpful advice and this is exactly what I intend to do. I found one with a good rating in St Albans but the two mechanics are overwhelmed with work at the moment so will wait until things calm down a bit. They also quoted what seems a reasonable price. £340. Thanks!
 

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Very helpful advice and this is exactly what I intend to do. I found one with a good rating in St Albans but the two mechanics are overwhelmed with work at the moment so will wait until things calm down a bit. They also quoted what seems a reasonable price. £340. Thanks!
Yes for that area £340 labour for that job is very cheap,it is considered a 7 hour job.The parts will be extra of course!
 

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Yes for that area £340 labour for that job is very cheap,it is considered a 7 hour job.The parts will be extra of course!
So finally booked in with Log into Facebook not exactly vag but vw specialists. Price difference for a timing chain including parts from main dealer £800 (no courtesy car) Intelligent auto £300 inclusive of parts. When I spoke to two vags they didnt understand I wanted a timing chain even though I spelled out chain and quoted me for a timing belt. Whereas Intelligent Auto understood instantly what I wanted and said it should only take about 2.5 hours. Whereas Skoda main dealer in Watford said that it would take all day and I may have to leave my car overnight. Is it a no brainer or am i missing something?
 

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Price difference for a timing chain including parts from main dealer £800 (no courtesy car) Intelligent auto £300 inclusive of parts. When I spoke to two vags they didnt understand I wanted a timing chain even though I spelled out chain and quoted me for a timing belt. Whereas Intelligent Auto understood instantly what I wanted and said it should only take about 2.5 hours. Whereas Skoda main dealer in Watford said that it would take all day and I may have to leave my car overnight. Is it a no brainer or am i missing something?
You're missing nothing, other than a hole in your wallet. :rolleyes:
Just check where Intelligent Auto are sourcing their parts from? OEM assembly line supplier such as Continental, Gates, Denso, LuK, Magna, etc. for belts and chains are fine.
Bear in mind Intelligent Auto are (I would guess?) only interested in servicing and maintaining cars, not selling you a high CO2 cost new one? Don't have an expensive showroom or sales staff to maintain (with currently only 50% of normal sales volume)? Etc. So can afford to charge less for parts and have a lower overall "labour" charge to cover overheads, lease of site, etc.?

Most franchised dealers (with exceptions here and there) are only interested in and only train new staff in, cars under 5 years old. Such is the pace of both car development and staff turnover. Knowledge of cars older than that would be restricted to a few isolated individuals who have been there for longer.

One of the exceptions being the parts dept. guys at my local BMW dealership (Stratstone). When I went in recently to buy some new fixing clips for various bits of exterior trim (old plastic clips had gone brittle with age), the guys recognised me even before I got to the desk. Must be 3 years since I was last in there! Asked me how the "restoration project" was going? As one of the guys is restoring a similar age BMW of his own. (My answer was "Slowly" btw!)
 

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You're missing nothing, other than a hole in your wallet. :rolleyes:
Just check where Intelligent Auto are sourcing their parts from? OEM assembly line supplier such as Continental, Gates, Denso, LuK, Magna, etc. for belts and chains are fine.
Bear in mind Intelligent Auto are (I would guess?) only interested in servicing and maintaining cars, not selling you a high CO2 cost new one? Don't have an expensive showroom or sales staff to maintain (with currently only 50% of normal sales volume)? Etc. So can afford to charge less for parts and have a lower overall "labour" charge to cover overheads, lease of site, etc.?

Most franchised dealers (with exceptions here and there) are only interested in and only train new staff in, cars under 5 years old. Such is the pace of both car development and staff turnover. Knowledge of cars older than that would be restricted to a few isolated individuals who have been there for longer.

One of the exceptions being the parts dept. guys at my local BMW dealership (Stratstone). When I went in recently to buy some new fixing clips for various bits of exterior trim (old plastic clips had gone brittle with age), the guys recognised me even before I got to the desk. Must be 3 years since I was last in there! Asked me how the "restoration project" was going? As one of the guys is restoring a similar age BMW of his own. (My answer was "Slowly" btw!)
Thanks for the input Flintstone. It is very strange how most mechanics in the know and a few of you on here say that part of the front engine has to be removed to fit the timing chain. And Intelligent Autos say that you don't!

A quick update. I spoke to a different mechanic a few minutes ago from a different garage in St Albans also VW specialists. The chap I spoke to took plenty of time to explain exactly what the issue might be. He said that with an older yeti which has clocked up around 60k you can get carbon build up on the (tensioner) plunger which can affect the synchronisation of camshaft against crankshaft. (some paraphrasing) His solution is is to plug the car in to diagnostics to check if there are any error codes relating to this synchronisation and also to use a German engine flushing solution to get rid of any sludge which would involve leaving it in overnight. Then new oil filter and a quality engine oil 502/505. Price for this £150. He thinks there may be a chance that this could solve the growling issue. Yes correct Intelligent autos is a 2 man show not sellers as such. Wow! you must have made some impression on them if they recognised you by your silhouette / gait loincloth! You probably put them all to shame with your phenomenal bank of knowledge...
 

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The chap I spoke to took plenty of time to explain exactly what the issue might be. He said that with an older yeti which has clocked up around 60k you can get carbon build up on the (tensioner) plunger which can affect the synchronisation of camshaft against crankshaft.
Did he mention chain stretch (a known problem on the year of your car) that the tensioner is unable to adjust to causing ther same issue?
 

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Did he mention chain stretch (a known problem on the year of your car) that the tensioner is unable to adjust to causing ther same issue?
Yes he knows about that but thought that it could also be caused by build up of carbon sludge.
 

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Yes he knows about that but thought that it could also be caused by build up of carbon sludge.
That would be even worse as it suggests the wrong oil has been used or delayed oil changes.
Used to perhaps happen in the past but not with the quality oils now.
Does the car need the oil topping up between changes?

EDIT: Oil to spec VW 502 00 / 504.00 for the 1.2 TSI
Oil to spec VW 505 00 was for the 1.8 TSI.
 
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So finally booked in with Log into Facebook not exactly vag but vw specialists. Price difference for a timing chain including parts from main dealer £800 (no courtesy car) Intelligent auto £300 inclusive of parts. When I spoke to two vags they didnt understand I wanted a timing chain even though I spelled out chain and quoted me for a timing belt. Whereas Intelligent Auto understood instantly what I wanted and said it should only take about 2.5 hours. Whereas Skoda main dealer in Watford said that it would take all day and I may have to leave my car overnight. Is it a no brainer or am i missing something?
Sounds too cheap,and 2 1/2 hours really? The parts will be about £150,are they changing the crankshaft sprocket to accommodate the wider modified chain? The sprocket will be worn to some extent. They will need new oil and filter which is another £40+ After the job,the chain casings will need silicone sealing which needs overnight to dry.
If they can do a good job for half price that is amazing,but get the quote in writing,so it can’t escalate,due to taking longer than they think.
 

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I have to say that if you look anything like your Avatar, I too would recognise you from a distance :)
I suspect it helped by turning up in bare feet and using an open car that had rollers at front and rear instead of wheels? :rolleyes::D

That and being infamous there for turning up to buy all sorts of odd bits that can't be sourced from anywhere else for even older BMWs? :ROFLMAO:
BMW have a different outlook towards maintaining parts supplies for older models, that is quite different from a majority of manufacturers. It helps I suppose that they still use some of the same parts on relatively modern cars that they first used in the 1970s. E.G. Drum parking brake mechanism inside the rear discs, etc.Exactly the same on an E46 as it was on a 1970s E27.
 
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That would be even worse as it suggests the wrong oil has been used or delayed oil changes.
Used to perhaps happen in the past but not with the quality oils now.
Does the car need the oil topping up between changes?

EDIT: Oil to spec VW 502 00 / 504.00 for the 1.2 TSI
Oil to spec VW 505 00 was for the 1.8 TSI.
No the oil level is very stable. Thanks
 

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Sounds too cheap,and 2 1/2 hours really? The parts will be about £150,are they changing the crankshaft sprocket to accommodate the wider modified chain? The sprocket will be worn to some extent. They will need new oil and filter which is another £40+ After the job,the chain casings will need silicone sealing which needs overnight to dry.
If they can do a good job for half price that is amazing,but get the quote in writing,so it can’t escalate,due to taking longer than they think.
This is exactly what I need thanks will email it to the mechanic so we can get it cleared up.
 

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This is exactly what I need thanks will email it to the mechanic so we can get it cleared up.
A quick update. When I mentioned to the mechanic the things you highlighted he cancelled the job so there is the answer. Now I am left with finding a trustworthy mechanic. Can anyone recommend a mechanic in Hertfordshire, London area or perhaps a little further afield? Thanks and a Happy New Year.
 

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A quick update. When I mentioned to the mechanic the things you highlighted he cancelled the job so there is the answer. Now I am left with finding a trustworthy mechanic. Can anyone recommend a mechanic in Hertfordshire, London area or perhaps a little further afield? Thanks and a Happy New Year.
I expect the mechanic realised he had underpriced the job and backed out.Maybe he was thinking it was a cambelt change which could be 2 1/2 hours.
If you don’t want the expensive dealer doing it,you can only research what VW specialist independents are in your area,and get some quotes,unfortunately you are in an expensive area for labour costs,and £700-£800 will probably be a minimum to cover parts and labour,VAT etc.
 

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I expect the mechanic realised he had underpriced the job and backed out.Maybe he was thinking it was a cambelt change which could be 2 1/2 hours.
If you don’t want the expensive dealer doing it,you can only research what VW specialist independents are in your area,and get some quotes,unfortunately you are in an expensive area for labour costs,and £700-£800 will probably be a minimum to cover parts and labour,VAT etc.
I think the main thing is to find a mechanic that someone on here can recommend for this job even if I have to travel
 

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I also live in an expensive area, the last time I had a cam belt change the Skoda price was almost the same as an independent. I used a Skoda dealer in the end as the price was almost the same and in theory, they would be more used to doing it and have any special tools that were needed. However, they don't get their hands on anything else.
 

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I also live in an expensive area, the last time I had a cam belt change the Skoda price was almost the same as an independent. I used a Skoda dealer in the end as the price was almost the same and in theory, they would be more used to doing it and have any special tools that were needed. However, they don't get their hands on anything else.
Good point! If my local one was less arrogant I wouldn't be looking further afield.
 
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